Baroness Blake of Leeds (Lab)

Before I start summing up, I just have a comment to make: if loosening ties is good enough for instructions in this Chamber, maybe schools should consider it. I am sorry; we are getting to the last group of amendments here. These are all exceptionally important amendments that we need to consider. It is a rather strange grouping but there is a theme running through them. I will turn to the noble Lord, Lord Young of Acton, first because his amendment led the group. The whole thrust of this is that it would require schools to remain open to all pupils during civil emergencies unless the other place decided otherwise. I stress that every emergency is different and unpredictable; that is the nature of the beast that we are talking about. We all learned the lesson—some of us were more involved than others—that planning is best when it is agile and takes a whole-system approach, and is responsive to the emergency faced. For example, I will never forget the chilling moment when I got a call from our director of education to say that a teacher had been murdered in one of our schools, all of the emotions that brought in, and the effect on all the children in the school and the staff, and the huge response required at the time. I am acutely conscious of the impacts that closing schools has on children, and protecting children and young people in emergencies will always be a priority for the Government. I commend those school leaders who kept schools open during the pandemic—albeit for limited numbers of pupils, but the vast majority of schools were open during that time and we should remember that. They did extraordinary work to keep those settings open. They received very strong local support in, I have to say, often a very conflicting and chaotic environment where directives were not clear; there was an enormous amount of confusion during that whole period. It would not be appropriate here to pre-empt the findings of the Covid inquiry into the decisions made by the previous Government. We must let the inquiry go into a real level of detail. It is of course timely that the children’s module is starting the week after next. We will all watch the evidence that is gathered through that process with great care and great insight. However, I want to raise the issue that, for those of us who had to deal with the directives, there was a question: why were zoos, theme parks and pubs opened before schools? That is the sort of question that we need to try to get an understanding of. School leaders already manage complex legal duties. No one would close a school lightly. The Government publish guidance to help settings prepare and tailor their approach for different emergencies. For health emergencies, non-statutory guidance backed by public health advice generally works well, and the current framework enables this without new legislation. DfE would work with a range of experts if faced with such decisions at scale again, and we will consider the role that the Children’s Commissioner plays. I would be interested in hearing the views of the Children’s Commissioner at this present moment on whether her office actually has the resource to take on the responsibilities being suggested in the amendment. Something that might be of interest is that Exercise Pegasus, the UK’s largest-ever pandemic preparedness simulation, started this week. It is a vital step in ensuring that our systems, people and plans are ready for the next pandemic, whenever it may come. DfE officials are participating fully in it, as is Minister Gould in the other place. A Written Ministerial Statement on Pegasus came out earlier in the week, and I recommend that we all look at the experience that has been gathered through that process. Additionally, the Secretary of State for Health and Social Care is looking carefully at legislation around future public health emergencies, drawing on those lessons and ensuring that we are never again in the position of unpreparedness that we faced in March 2020. Amendment 502P, tabled by the noble Baroness, Lady Boycott, would require new schools to be built to deliver net zero carbon in operation and to be resilient to climate change, and would require action plans to be developed for all existing schools to reach net zero and be adapted to be resilient to the impacts of climate change. I confirm that the Department for Education already requires all centrally funded school building projects to be net-zero carbon in operation. New schools delivered by the department are designed to be climate resilient to a 2 degree rise in average global temperatures, as has been stated, and future-proofed for a rise of 4 degrees centigrade. They need to incorporate sustainable drainage systems and deliver a greening factor of at least 35% to promote biodiversity, and I confirm that this is ongoing. The DfE sustainability strategy introduced an expectation for all schools to develop a climate adaptation plan, supported by a network of climate ambassadors who, through nine regional hubs, provide free expertise and support to nursery schools and colleges to develop and deliver impactful climate action plans. The DfE has partnered with Great British Energy to support schools in decarbonising their buildings through the installation of solar power and other energy-efficiency measures, such as installing LED lighting. On the three questions posed by the noble Baroness, I think everyone knows that taking exams at the hottest time of year can be extraordinarily difficult. It is not always extremely hot at that time of year—as we all know, our climate is unpredictable at this time—but that is under consideration. I will have to get back to her on the other questions that she raised around data and information gathering. Amendment 502YA is a very thoughtful amendment tabled by the noble Baroness, Lady Finlay, who speaks with enormous experience and gave very appropriate examples. I think the way we feel about this is that teaching about emergencies has to be age appropriate. We must work sensitively to ensure that it extends to not overstating risks and helping pupils contextualise what they learn, without causing alarm. That is the very delicate balance we have to tread on this. Of course, there are particularly obvious safety measures we can help to get across, as the noble Baroness outlined. But there are areas in which we need to rely on schools. They are exceptionally well placed to know how to plan for emergencies and how to talk to pupils appropriately. There is guidance available to them, including from the department. In addition, the Terrorism (Protection of Premises) Act 2025, commonly known as Martyn’s law, received Royal Assent this year, as we have heard. It will require certain premises, including educational settings, to prepare for potential events and be ready to keep people safe in the event of an attack. As such, we think it would be confusing and unnecessary to accept this amendment while Martyn’s law is being introduced within the next 24 months. Amendment 502YB was proposed by the noble Baroness, Lady Bennett, and states that we need an initial 12-month and then biennial review of the level of preparedness of grant maintained schools and other schools for increasing extremes of climate, particularly high temperatures. Of course, in Australia wearing hats is compulsory, and I think kids having suncream is compulsory as well. Other parts of the world have moved ahead of us, and we need to learn from other experiences. We understand the concern expressed in this amendment, but we have to be very careful about adding to the burden of the sector around collecting the data she suggests and the review. I think we need to be very sensitive to this and make sure everything is done proportionately, while making sure children and young people are safe. The considerations set out in the amendment should be included in settings’ climate action plans, to be dealt with at a local level. However, for the preparedness of buildings and grounds, we will potentially develop new methods of data collection in the future to help us understand the preparedness of school settings for managing climate change emergencies. I do not think I need to say an enormous amount more about uniform provision. We issued guidance to support schools in developing and implementing uniform policies which states that schools should take a sensible approach to allow for exceptions to be made during extreme weather. On the suitability of transport provision, we know some schools provide transport—minibuses, for example. We do not provide guidance or collect information on this transport. Health and safety on educational visits guidance sets out our advice on considerations necessary to plan, organise and risk assess educational visits. For the level of emergency planning to protect pupil health and well-being, including regulations and rules about maximum temperatures in classrooms, the workplace regulations apply to schools and cover temperatures in indoor workplaces. This is supported by other legislation which requires schools to maintain their premises to ensure the health and safety and welfare of pupils. It is for individual schools to have policies in place for emergency response and safeguarding. Finally, Amendment 502YK, also in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Bennett, looks at the rather vexed issue of ventilation and air cleaning in schools and reducing the transmission of respiratory diseases as well as other measures to reduce transmission of other diseases with annual reporting on progress. I agree that good ventilation is vitally important. The department already publishes guidance on ventilation which is consistent with expert advice given by the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies, SAGE, during the Covid-19 pandemic on ventilation requirements to reduce the spread of Covid-19 and by extension other airborne infections. I am sure all noble Lords will remember those shots of airborne particles circulating around a room without ventilation and the difference that opening windows and other factors made.