Lord Jones (Lab)

My Lords, it is instructive to follow the noble Lord, Lord Sikka, who has a professorial exactitude that excites considerable interest in someone such as me. I thank the Minister for the precision, cogency and persuasiveness of her introduction. I rise on the principle that the Executive should be challenged and questioned. That is what a Parliament is for, and the Westminster Parliament will always acknowledge the need to challenge the Executive. I greatly welcome the regulations. Anyone who offers a 6% or more increase must be acknowledged and thanked. I must say that the complexity of the regulations is considerable, and the weight of the document is evidence of that. Each year these regulations present themselves, but the data changes. I am grateful for the helpfulness of the Explanatory Memorandum. I know that a lot of work goes into the presentation of it and the regulations by the Minister’s departmental officials. Can the Minister indicate how many people in Wales are on the national minimum wage? Is there a figure for the number of apprentices in Wales on the national minimum wage? There is a need to consider the context to these regulations. The Explanatory Memorandum says that the legislation went forward and got parliamentary approval in 1998. I was present in the other place Her Majesty’s Government made those proposals, and I recollect the intensity of the determination of Prime Minister Blair and Chancellor of the Exchequer Brown. But we also experienced the angry and persistent opposition to these proposals in the other place. There was a considerable amount of anger, but now everyone would agree, I think, that it was a measure of social justice that was overdue, bearing in mind that unemployment was considerably high in the 1980s—indeed, there was mass unemployment. The memory of those tumultuous times enabled the Opposition of the day to include a national minimum wage in their manifesto and, when elected in 1997, to proceed to organise legislation. I would like to point to paragraph 5.2 of the Explanatory Memorandum. In reading it, I acknowledge that this is a noble objective. It says: “The Government has set a policy aim to deliver a genuine living wage for every adult worker, and the increases to the rates this year are intended to make progress towards that, both by increasing the headline NLW rate and narrowing the gap between the 18-20 NMW rate and the full adult rate”. That has to be really good news and it deserves commendation. It is also worthwhile indicating that in paragraph 9.2 there is a reference to employers: “These costs to employers represent a transfer to low-paid workers, and include the estimated cost on employers in the public sector. Over 3 million workers are estimated to receive a direct pay rise due to the increase to the NMW and NLW in April 2025”. These regulations must be welcomed, and the Minister commended for her introduction.