Lord Fox (LD)

My Lords, it is useful to have heard from the noble Lord, Lord Aberdare, and the noble Baroness, Lady Neville-Rolfe, as they have made it their business to address this issue over a number of years. I am pleased that they view this instrument with some positivity and I am happy to concur. For too long, we have seen large companies use the cash flow of small companies to bolster their own cash flow. This happens not just in the construction sector, but it has been particularly apparent there. Of course, in some famous cases, such as Carillion and others, it became an industry unto itself and the core purpose of the organisations seemed to be to run cash flow on other people’s profit and loss accounts. We have moved on some way, but I call into question the Minister’s comment—I also welcome her to her place—that it enables companies to make informed decisions about whom to trade with. In many cases, these companies already know what treatment they will get from those they trade with. They do not have a choice about with whom they trade, if they wish to continue in business. Sanctions and whistleblowing on those companies becomes an issue, as they dare not call foul because they will not get contracts in the future. That is the nature of the relationship: it is an abusive relationship, almost literally, between the contractor and the lead company. We need to understand the nature of that relationship to put into context some of the things we are talking about here. Without wishing to sound nerdy, the average payment time can hide an awful lot of sins. Standard deviation could be more useful—as the noble Baroness will understand—because companies can be played against others. I also wonder, rather suspiciously, whether retention becomes something else. It would be easy to look at this from the other end of the telescope, call it a completion bonus and retain that instead. We have to be a bit careful about naming things rather than describing them. I was happy to be reminded of those halcyon days when we were working on the Procurement Act and of the mercurial rise of the noble Baroness from critical Back-Bencher to Front-Bench proponent. I ask a simple question: would it be legal, under current procurement regulations, for me as a local authority to refuse to take on a contractor which was in all other factors equal to a competitor bidder but had reported poor retention and payment numbers? Is it legal for me to turn it down on those terms?