Lord Pitt-Watson (Lab)

My Lords, in contributing here, I should say my background is in responsible investment, with Hermes Fund Managers. It still on occasion offers me an office, from time to time. Since this is about responsible investment, as you can imagine, I could not more strongly support the principles of what we are debating here if I tried. I also absolutely welcome the cross-party nature of this: my noble friend Lady Griffin speaks from a trade union representing beneficiaries of pension funds. However, I am just not sure that these three amendments get us where it is that we want to get to. To start with the trustee issue raised by Amendment 218A, of course trustees should take into account systemic issues in their investment and stewardship, and they should do so in the interests of the economic, environmental and social interests of their beneficiaries. We make a mistake if we separate those interests because they go together. If we want evidence of the significance of that, we might look at research from Columbia University suggesting that 85% of the return you get from your pension fund will be systemic and only 15% will be from idiosyncratic things that your fund managers have done.