Lord Hendy of Richmond Hill (Lab)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords for their consideration of the draft regulations. The noble Earl, Lord Russell, referred to the observations of the Secondary Legislation Scrutiny Committee. I agree that, if we need to pursue this matter again, we should volunteer the information that the committee observed was not supplied in 2020 and again more recently. The four areas with surpluses are Birmingham, Bristol, Bradford, and Bath and North East Somerset. I will write to the noble Earl with the information we have about how big those surpluses are. I put it to him and the noble Lord, Lord Moylan, that while the surpluses may be useful for local transport purposes, it would be foolish to guarantee that they existed simply because, as the noble Earl and the noble Lord remarked, the park of these vehicles and the income will change over time. Notwithstanding that I cannot give the figures, in the case of the larger local authorities they are not hugely material sums—but I agree that they are sums, and I will write to him detailing what they are. The fee was set at £2 by the previous Government, without knowing the volume of vehicles that needed to pay the fee. I am sure it was not an unreasonable calculation and it would have been made by sensible people, but the review that we have done suggests that the taxpayer is making up the difference, rather than it being borne more locally and, in particular, by the authorities that make a surplus. We will review the matter again. I feel confident that in the next 12 or 18 months we will have another look. The noble Earl asked for annual data and we will look to publish something annually. I am not sure when it will start, but that is a reasonable point. The major point is that this is an air quality measure and not a revenue measure. When local authorities are able to comply with the air quality standards for two consecutive years, they can close the clean air zone. That is what we want them to do. We do not want charging mechanisms; we want clean air for people in those towns and cities. I think I have answered all the relevant points. I will not test your Lordships’ patience by going through again what I said 10 minutes ago. I commend the regulations to the House.