Baroness Neville-Rolfe (Con)

My Lords, I, too, rise to speak to the two statutory instruments: the Financial Services and Markets Act 2000 (Regulated Activities) (ESG Ratings) Order 2025, and the Financial Services and Markets Act 2023 (Prudential Regulation of Credit Institutions) (Consequential Amendments) Regulations 2025. I am content with the second of these instruments, but I have some broader questions which it may be helpful to address first. My first question is a repeat of one posed in the summer. How is the Treasury getting on with the post-Brexit regulatory changes for which it is responsible? The answer in the summer was that 51% of assimilated law from the retained EU law and assimilated law dashboard had been dealt with. It seems extraordinary not to have completed this task more than nine years after the vote on Brexit. A second question is, now that we are no longer bound to match the EU, have we taken advantage of the obvious opportunities? I highlight helping smaller financial service providers and banks, addressing the perennial problem of finance for SMEs, and encouraging innovation. I look forward to hearing from the Minister on this, and on the progress of the Government’s financial services growth and competitiveness strategy, including the welcome announcement on 4 December on plans to lower barriers to authorisation for new firms. That brings me to how our onshored EU law is being replaced by regulator rules, and how Parliament can maintain proper oversight of it. Can the Minister tell us how the Treasury and the regulators are co-ordinating the mapping exercise from the EU’s capital requirements regulation provisions into our PRA rulebook? In particular, how are the Government assuring themselves, and by extension this House, that the cumulative effect of these changes will preserve and enhance the safety and soundness of firms—a concern of the noble Baroness, Lady Kramer—and the competitiveness of the UK as a financial sector, which, given its sheer scale, is critical to the future of our country? The noble Baroness explained the importance of continued parliamentary involvement, rather than leaving everything to the regulators and their rule books. Does our Financial Services Regulation Committee, with its distinguished membership, perhaps have a role to play? As we move further into the FSMA 2023 framework, what is the Government’s plan for post-implementation review? I know from my business experience that for success, implementation far outweighs strategy. Will the Treasury undertake a structured evaluation of whether the shift from detailed retained law to rules made by the regulator is delivering the outcomes envisaged by Parliament: high standards of prudential regulation, clear and accessible rules for firms, and a regime that supports innovation and growth? The noble Lord, Lord Jones, said he wanted to see a smarter regulatory framework, and I will be interested in the Minister’s reply. These are, I hope, constructive and broadly supportive questions. I turn to the instrument on ESG ratings. As the Minister has said, this market has grown rapidly in recent years without formal regulatory oversight. That has inevitably led to concerns being raised around transparency, governance arrangements, internal controls and potential conflicts of interest for ESG rating providers. Both the International Organization of Securities Commissions and the OECD have recommended that national authorities bring greater scrutiny to bear on this part of the market, and I suppose that the UK was bound to fall into line. I understand the need to ensure that ratings are given in a proper way for market integrity, although I regret that the market has not sorted itself out voluntarily—though that may be difficult, given that so many territories are involved. I am not convinced about the evidence base for intervention, in terms of harms caused by incorrect ESG ratings. I also question why the Government have defaulted to bringing organisations into the FCA’s sphere using the Financial Services and Markets Act 2000 rather than the simpler and less costly designated activities route, which the 2023 Act created. Why have the Government not started with making ESG ratings a designated activity to see whether that could cope with the issues satisfactorily? The Explanatory Memorandum simply asserts that full regulatory oversight is necessary. This is against a background of an “entrenched culture of risk aversion” and regulatory complexity, in the words of the House of Lords Financial Services Regulation Committee. I believe that the FCA route on ESG risks adding such needless complexity. I am sure that the Minister will want to answer this point. The Prime Minister has focused as recently as last week on the importance of growth and lighter regulation, which, as the Minister knows, I welcome. Is there a left hand/right hand issue underlying today’s apparently technical discussion? Is this use of the 2000 Act rather than the 2023 Act the direction of travel for the future? Will that deliver the simpler, smarter regulation that many of us crave? For similar reasons, I am cautious about the state telling the market whether such ratings ought to be used at all. Companies and investors must remain at liberty to make a business decision on whether ESG ratings add value to their processes. In my view, it is not the role of government or regulators to favour particular investment philosophies or to promote one set of metrics over another. Against that background, can the Minister confirm that it is not the Government’s intention that the FCA, through its supervisory expectations or guidance, should in practice encourage or pressure firms into using ESG ratings or into favouring particular ESG ratings providers or methodologies? In other words, can the Minister assure the Committee that the regime is about the integrity of the ratings, where they are used, rather than about mandating or promoting their use? In the same vein, can the Minister say what safeguards will be in place to ensure that ESG ratings are not indirectly hard-wired into other parts of the regulatory framework—for example, into prudential rules, disclosure regimes or stewardship expectations—in a way that would amount to de facto regulatory endorsement of specific ESG approaches without further and explicit parliamentary scrutiny? The Minister mentioned that this ESG instrument has been supported by business. Which businesses? Did they include SMEs and their representatives? I end with a thank you. It is helpful that the Government regularly come to the House and explain the purpose of the panoply of financial regulations that are being made. This is a major constitutional and regulatory transition—hence it is right that we have the chance to examine carefully each step in the process, its progress and its broader impact. The sunlight of transparency makes for better government and better regulators.