Member

We could argue about the scale of the problem. Earlier, we had an argument about whether there would be an increase in illicit sales if the Bill became law, but I do not think we need to argue about the scale of current illicit activities because we have data from trading standards on the amount of illegal stuff they seize every year. The figures I have—I do not know whether the Minister recognises them—are 1.19 million illegal vapes, 19 million cigarettes and over 5,000 kilogrammes of hand-rolling tobacco seized in 2023-24. Even if the figures were half those this would still represent a major problem.