Lord Moynihan (Con)

My Lords, we on these Benches fully associate ourselves with the opening remarks of my noble friend Lady Hoey following the appalling tragedy in Belfast. I move on from that, with great difficulty, to say that I welcome the fact that she has brought this issue to the attention of the House. She made a characteristically powerful speech, and I take this opportunity to say that in many respects she is right. The noble Lord, Lord Dodds, made the important point that there is differential treatment between Northern Ireland and the rest of the United Kingdom. I say to the noble Lord, Lord Davies, who I respect very much indeed—I will come back to some additional comments that he made—that I think we underestimate at our peril the importance and depth of emotion that is felt in Northern Ireland when measures are brought forward that have a significant difference in implementation between Northern Ireland and the rest of the United Kingdom. Of course, it is important to recognise that that will be the case under various agreements in the past, but the point that the noble Lord, Lord Dodds, made, and that I emphasise, is that there has been no debate accorded to this measure in Northern Ireland. That is not something we should be proud of in this House or proud of in the United Kingdom. I think that the point was worthy of being made, and it underpins the depth of emotion that was behind the comments of my noble friend Lady Hoey. She is right: these regulations will impact the lives of many households across the country. The noble Lord, Lord Davies, is also right to say that the operating costs moving forward should lead to savings for households and consumers, but he might have added that the upfront capital costs are quite significant. At a time when there are serious problems in the economy and people are really feeling the effect of high costs in their household budgets, adding significantly to the capital costs is important. It is therefore true that initially, through the capital cost element, these regulations are regressive and they will add further costs to the working men and women of this country, only to see the benefits in between two and four years, depending on whether you take the Which? report or additional reports on the subject, which have been manifold. From just six months’ time, people will be able to buy only heat pump tumble dryers, which are markedly more expensive up front. No wonder that, as a result, there is already a rush to buy the remaining stock of convector and vented tumble dryers. The important point was made that mandated models will work only at ambient temperatures, restricting their use in previously unheated rooms in domestic dwellings, which will then add to the operating costs. Of course, I say that there has been little respect for Northern Ireland as part of the United Kingdom, because the point has been made very clearly that the Government have already banned shops from buying in any new conventional convectors or vented tumble dryers, on the Government’s preferred altar of EU net-zero legislation. This has already, as we have debated at significant length, increased costs in Northern Ireland, not least because of the increased costs of ferries and goods made in Northern Ireland, without attention to the increased costs imposed on the people and the companies living and operating in Northern Ireland. My noble friend Lady Hoey was completely right when she said that “it demonstrates how the mistreatment of Northern Ireland is creating pressures, not for this mistreatment to end, which would be great, but for attempts to be made to limit the destructive effects of divergence with the rest of the country”.—[Official Report, 26/3/25; col. 1778.] The noble Baroness, Lady Suttie, made the key point about divergence. She touched upon it, and she rightly emphasised that this will be debated in the future. I think the debate this evening is an object lesson in the problems with the Government’s much more ambitious GB dynamic alignment project to avoid divergence with Northern Ireland as set out in the European partnership Bill. My noble friend made the important point that a significant proportion of heat pump tumble dryers do not yet meet the EU minimum condensation efficiency of 80%, which the Northern Ireland tumble dryer regulations now require. In the short time available, I will pick up on just one or two other points that are relevant to this debate. One is the consistent reference to a more circular, resource-efficient economy. It is misleading—particularly when referenced, I think, four times in the Explanatory Memorandum—to suggest that the circular economy is inherently desirable. Does the Minister agree with me that there are some inherent disadvantages with the circular economy in this instance, including the high initial costs? Businesses often face steep upfront investments to redesign products and implement new technologies. Also, there is the importance of changing consumer behaviour patterns. Worst of all is the related and critical fact that the Government need, in our view, to bear down on the increasingly high electricity prices, which have now reached historically high levels. These high levels are borne by consumers, and they are key because these dryers are major electricity users. I very much hope that the Minister will take on board that the level of electricity prices in this country has to be addressed. We on these Benches suggest—this is so important—that the Government would be wise to come forward with measures that address scrapping the carbon tax; axing carbon tax pricing to reduce artificial mark-ups on wholesale electricity prices; abolishing legacy renewable subsidies; temporarily scrapping the 5% VAT on domestic energy bills for three years; and lifting the ban on new oil and gas exploration licences to increase domestic supply and reduce reliance on expensive imported energy. I accept that that would not immediately impact on the price, but it would generate Treasury income, maximise job opportunities—not least in Aberdeen, where 1,000 jobs are being lost every month—and reduce emissions. The impact assessment points to the relentless justification of central planning: “The recent increase in electricity prices combined with consideration of pressure on the grid illustrate the need to ensure only the most energy efficient products are available on the market”. The argument that is being put forward to us tonight is that the energy price increases, a result of the Government’s policies, justify making dryers more expensive—a punitive policy to offset another policy. In the last 15 seconds, I reinforce strongly from these Benches the importance of the comments that have been made about the differential treatment between Northern Ireland and the rest of the United Kingdom. This is vital, and we should always respect views that are put forward in this House on this important subject.