Baroness Altmann (Non-Afl)

My Lords, I fully echo the comments that the noble Lord, Lord Mackinlay, just made, having had personal experience, sadly, of just what he described. Amendment 70 would provide at least some relief to those executors who cannot access funds and who see the interest racking up while probate delays or other delays beyond their control are occurring to the estate. I urge the Minister also to take back to his department that if inheritance tax is indeed levied on unused pension funds from next April, there is not even the allowance in the new system for a 10-year delay, as there is with property, so it will not just be interest that racks up; there will be penalties and so on. There is a real problem in that regard and, indeed, there is a real issue with the costs involved in probate for the executors who cannot have the money released because some institutions have decided that even though the money is going to be paid directly to HMRC to satisfy inheritance tax, it will still not release the money—and, of course, it will still be charging fees on the funds that it retains. So I hope that the Minister will take seriously the ideas in Amendment 70. I strongly support Amendment 60, and I would have added my name to it had I been more on the ball. It was so nobly spoken to by the noble Baroness, Lady Kramer. She spoke of the child trust fund issue, where parents and carers of children—who cannot make the decision for themselves—who are managing the money for those children, and have done so since the child’s birth in some cases, are being told that they must go through an enormously lengthy legal process just to be able to take a bit of money out of the money that the Government gave for those children, which was safeguarded until age 18. When they reached that age, they were unable to access the funds. Child trust funds started in 2005 so this problem of people being unable to get money from the child trust fund has been going on since 2023. Indeed, there was a consultation in 2022, which recommended that a small payment scheme at least should be introduced, but in the meantime, nothing has happened. As the noble Baroness, Lady Kramer, said, the costs of going to court and obtaining an order to be able to take money out of a trust fund could use up most—or, even, in some cases, all—of the money in the fund. There is an issue that needs to be addressed. Amendment 60 would be a way of helping these families, and I hope that the Minister will take this back to the department and come back with some positive news on this issue.